You want a seven point plan to destroy ISIS? Here it is.

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Ive been just a little frustrated by the somewhat passive approach of the anti-bombing Syria movement at the moment.

It’s as though we are all responding to David Cameron’s seven-point plan with either acceptance or rejection, without much detail of what we should be doing instead.

There are a few vague references to the Vienna negotiations around Syria’s future and some doubt about ground forces that will confront Isis.

I do not understand why the main opposition has not formulated and laid out a very clear alternative to air strikes both in Syria and Iraq for that matter.

What I am interested in is a new plan, a new narrative, clearly laid out by the those that seek an alternative to fighting fire with fire.

Cameron’s plan is at best incoherent and at worst, a blatant admission that he is not a leader but instead, is bound by those who put him in power to ensure that their interests are met at the expense of any common sense. The industrial military complex on both sides of the Atlantic are setting the agenda, closely followed by big oil and finance. This is why and how wars are generated, financed and exploited. We know this. The last 20 years has seen the opposite of everything our leaders have told us would come from aggression in foreign lands. They claimed we were in danger when we were not and that we would be in less danger if we intervened, which also we are not. Instead, we have destabilised, radicalised and exploited these regions to such an extent, that we are now in more danger than we were before 9/11. Why does David Cameron think that the British people don’t get this? The truth is, he knows bombing in Syria or Iraq or anywhere will do nothing to make us safe and tragically, that is what this government actually wants. Our insecurity is exactly what they are seeking. I insert here a quote that illustrates this political strategy.

“Naturally, the common people don’t want war, neither in Russia nor England nor in America nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.”

-Hermann Göering- (during the Nuremberg Trials) 

Through this paradigm it becomes patently obvious that this government, like Russia and the US are set on using the middle east as a landscape for real life war games and the local population as the guinea pigs for their weapons. With such huge military industry at work, how can these massive super powers keep the economic wheels turning if they are not despatching these weapons somewhere?  Without war, what will fund the endless building of more weapons, jets, missiles and drones? As the metal band Megadeth’s 80’s album cover so clearly puts it, ‘Peace sells but who’s buying?’.  We know that no matter how accurate a bomb or missile can be, ordinary, vulnerable people get slaughtered. Fathers and mothers lose children. Children lose their parents, brothers lose sisters.  Real lives, real people- destroyed.  To keep us ‘safe’?  The claim that our missiles are so accurate that they can get through a window may be true but what if its the wrong bloody window? To say that our added weaponry will ‘save lives’ is so appalling and dishonest – it is simply outrageous!

So, as it seems that most of our MPs have been dragged like mindless sheep to another slaughter, I put forward here, (based on my best but limited understanding of the current and historical situation), MY seven point plan to make our streets and the Middle East a safer and more peaceful place.

Point One: All western nations including the US, the UK, and France should immediately accept the legitimacy of the Assad Government.

Reason a: Although Assad is a butcher and total sociopath, he is the current leader of a sovereign nation and is secular in his beliefs. No country has the legal right to remove him from power regardless of his crimes. This would also bring a ceasefire closer as Western governments end their support of disparate groups fighting the Syrian army.

Reason b: If the argument of brutal regime change is to have any credibility, then we would also have to remove the Saudi Royal family, along with the leaders of Kuwait, and several other Gulf states, and then of course, North Korea, Brunei, Egypt, Israel, Iran etc etc. This argument against Assad is utterly hypocritical.

Reason c: Once Assad sees that he would be recognised by the international community, he would be far more likely to respond to calls for more democracy and more benign governance. This is what is happening in Burma and Iran and it can happen in Syria too. Humiliating sociopaths only serves to make them even more sociopathic. Lose/lose.

Point Two: Immediately establish the Turkish and Saudi governments’ role in aiding and abetting ISIS through weapons/drugs supply, loose borders and the purchase of oil from ISIS-held territory. 

Reason a: If found guilty of these acts, then Turkey’s application for EU membership should be cancelled and a full review of NATO membership undertaken.

Reason b: Saudi Arabia, if found to be supporting and promoting ISIS ideology, should have all economic and diplomatic ties cut by all western nations, regardless of their financial interests in the EU and the US, which should all be frozen.

Reason c: If they are found to be complicit in helping ISIS then the blood of all their victims in the region and Europe is on Saudi hands. They are the enemy.

Reason d: If they do support ISIS (and much evidence suggests they do), then by selling arms to them we are turning those weapons on our own pilots and civilians.

Point Three: End bombing of any civilian areas and focus air attacks solely on oil convoys, refineries and supply-routes to and from ISIS-held territory.

Reason a: This action would truly minimise civilian casualties as these targets are isolated, out in the open and slow-moving. Warnings can be given prior to destroying vehicles, armoured columns, installations and supply convoys, allowing conscripted drivers, workers and soldiers to escape safely. This is the only way that bombing is useful and anything close to ethical.

Reason b: Armies march on their stomachs and in the case of ‘salaried Jihadis’, their payments and supplies of free cocaine. Cut off these supplies and soon loyalties will dissolve. Even extremists get hungry and will break ranks if supplies dry up.

Point Four: Instigate a massive UN-coordinated plan of humanitarian aid and support for all displaced civilians in the region.

Reason a: Our priority must be to address the human suffering of innocent civilians that is occurring on a biblical scale across the region. Saudi and the Gulf states are doing absolutely nothing to mitigate the situation and have cynically offered to ‘build mosques’ for the immigrants pouring in to Europe. Really? Thats it?

Reason b: This action would enrage and exasperate ISIS, as the very last thing they want, is for muslims to start believing that Western nations are there to help and care for them. That would cripple their local recruiting strategy at its root.

Point Five: Stop all weapons sales to the entire region. Especially to Saudi, the Gulf states and Israel.

Reason a: Weapons are traded to these despotic regimes under the pretext of ‘defence’ but they are being used as offensive weapons on civilians in local conflicts like Yemen and the occupied territories. It is nothing short of scandalous that we and the US are supplying arms and ammunition to these warring, oppressive leaders.

Reason b: De-militarising the region can only reduce suffering and loss of life.

Point Six: End all financial and military support for Israel until it’s government complies with all UN resolutions and requirements, including a sincere attempt to negotiate a two state solution for Palestine.

Reason a: The end of unconditional support for Israel would be a huge body blow to ISIS and all extremist groups in the region who use the Israeli / Palestinian conflict as an example of the unfair plight of Arab Muslims.

Reason b: This action would dilute attempts to radicalise young muslims across Europe and the Western world and render useless, one of the great levers of indoctrination by hate preachers in mosques around the world.

Point Seven: Instigate a massive regeneration programme of islamic communities to recognise, enrich and upgrade the lives of muslims in cities across the European Union and elsewhere, including the promotion of multi faith co-operation and unity to dilute racism and islamophobia. 

Reason a: This move would again infuriate ISIS and severely undermine its ability to radicalise and groom muslim youth to carry out acts of barbarity against their fellow countrymen.

Reason b: A united and just approach to the muslim populations would give the young people in those communities hope and a sense of being valued. The absence of this hope is the foundation of the ISIS recruitment campaign.

And finally one last addition. Following any further atrocities carried out around the world in the name of martyrdom or Jihad, there should be a total media blackout on names and histories of the perpetrators. Absolutely no analysis or background reports. Yes, report on the details of the events but at no point should their pictures or names or nationalities/religion be made public. The current media frenzy to publish these personal details is a huge motivator toward martyrdom for would be gunmen or suicide attackers, knowing that they will be given the attention and ‘respect’ of notoriety they so desperately crave.  But to die with no one ever knowing who you were, or what you represented, is somewhat less romantic than imagining yourself across the front pages of the world’s press, hailed by fellow Jihadis. No brainer right? But governments haven’t thought of that one or have they? Perhaps putting faces to the crimes is all part of building our fear, driving a wedge between us and gaining more control.

So, the basic approach is to starve the fire of ISIS and all other extremist groups by cutting off the oxygen. Cut the supply, the funding, the communication, the motives for those to join and the weapons with which to fight.

ISIS can sell oil but cannot grow its own
food or build its own weapons. Because of this, they are dependent on the super powers to keep throwing arms and ammunition into the arena and for supplies to be trucked in. Once that is clearly ended then ISIS would simply dissolve as a force. They will never be defeated as a mass army but they don’t have to be. The fighters would simply melt away into the population or return to their lives and countries. ISIS would no longer be able to be the provider of basic social needs and would lose power.

This to me, is a far more effective way of protecting our own populations and reducing the whole threat of terror around the world.

This seven point plan was not difficult to work out. What is very puzzling is this government’s inability to see this very obvious reality. I fear that they actually do but worryingly, have another agenda that requires this mad dash to join in a global conflict and increase the chaos, the suffering and the danger to us all.

50 thoughts on “You want a seven point plan to destroy ISIS? Here it is.

    Sam Womelsdorf said:
    December 4, 2015 at 3:12 am

    Excellent. Thank you.

    David Leak said:
    December 4, 2015 at 7:19 am

    Well written but completely unrealistic. More of a ego driven drivel of no consequence.

      A Liberated Life responded:
      December 4, 2015 at 2:56 pm

      Thanks for the comment David, I’m glad you thought it well written.

        PJ McCue said:
        December 6, 2015 at 7:13 pm

        Not as unrealistic David as you might imagine. Having re-read Sun Tzu’s The Art of War recently, I was struck by how many of his theories (and granted they are theories – though well observed ones) are being completely ignored by those in power, in particular our politicians – who after all call the shots. Given that they will have all no doubt all read the General’s treatise, it seems remarkable that they haven’t employed some of his strategies..

      Colin greig said:
      December 4, 2015 at 3:31 pm

      Too much sense you mean?

      Gregg Ashley said:
      December 4, 2015 at 11:20 pm

      Davids right. You even said yourself you have limited knowledge of the situation, which is true. Furthermore if you really knew anything about Israel, the history of everything going on there in what is the longest running and most complicated war going, then you wouldn’t be making those recommendations. (Look into what Hamas’ primary objective is and always been on their manifesto for a start, might give u a hint as to their real motives)

      All these war situations you don’t even know the smallest tip of the iceberg of the facts. The media themselves only know the tip of the iceberg, then the info you get is both filtered and distorted based upon the agenda of the media owner publishing it. Then further vastly misunderstood and distorted by the general publics lack of understanding of it.

      So, whether left or right wing, until you and everyone else recognises you’re significant limitations of knowledge on all these political subjects, and realises how hugely complicated they already are, you’re only going to serve to complicate matters further. Especially by publishing your opinions and views online.. Technically that makes you the media, as you are published. You also have your own agenda too. So please stop preaching and come back to reality.

      Anyways, I’ve got a better and far more effective way to deal with the situation at hand. As human beings it is each of our responsibility to actually make this world a better place to live in, fact. Talking about it though and preaching and whining and moaning and arguing does the complete opposite however, and is also very predicatable and this easy to manipulate (ISIS know this all too well).

      No, all everyone should be doing is, every time we ourselves and our way of life is attacked through terrorism or whatever, there’s a far more effective way to respond…

      If we all donate some of our time and skills (we all have a talent / skills to offer whatever it may be) to a charity / cause we believe in, and that really needs it, this world will rapidly become a better place to live in…

      And by responding to acts of evil with extreme and blatant acts of kindness and goodwill, will render the actions of those with evil agendas pretty much useless. The result will be the exact opposite of what their evil motives are ultimately setting out to do.

      That’s what people need to be doing. Fuck left wing and right wing opinions, it only causes conflict. And fuck preaching about subjects you know so little about.

      Remember, actions speak louder than words. We each have a responsibility to change the planet for the better. So get out there and do it!

      (And, before any predictable responses, yes, I am already practicing what I preach!) 😉

        A Liberated Life responded:
        December 4, 2015 at 11:39 pm

        Thank you for your message Gregg. You have no idea what I know and I have no idea what you know, but please feel free to preach away anywhere you wish. I am simply (as you suggest), offering my skills as a writer to a cause I believe in. Good luck with your mission and please try to remain civil if at all possible. I respect all feedback. Thank you.

        Gregg Ashley said:
        December 5, 2015 at 3:14 pm

        Please try to be a little less patronising and discuss what I’m saying, as opposed to how you assume I’m saying it.

        I find it very poor form how you have gone and confused the word “cause” into meaning “political agenda” where it is obviously referring to “charitable” cause.

        Furthermore, practicing what you preach is also known as leading by example. There’s a difference between that and merely just ‘preaching’.

        Now if you’ll excuse me, I have a charity website to finish building (feel free to add me on Facebook for updates), Meanwhile, I’ll leave you to continue with communicating you’re political agenda.

        Have a good day. 🙂

        Sean Barton said:
        December 6, 2015 at 2:12 pm

        Well Greg what a nice tree hugging person you are!! Unfortunately none of what you suggest will do anything to resolve the issue’s we are currently facing in the middle east. I thought the article was well thought out and is by far better than the current plan. Unfortunately it is true that A liberated Life does not know the full facts none of us do other than those in power and there is an agenda which has nothing to do with terrorism only Nation’s greed. We unfortunately live in a world that is corrupt, greedy and selfish. There are great charity’s doing great work around the world millions of them where would you start. The human race is unfortunately so greedy each and everyone of us including you Greg.

      Gareth James said:
      December 5, 2015 at 10:54 am

      You got further than me.

      I got as far as the quote by Hermann Goering and thought ‘Oh, here we go again.’ simply because I am fed up of seeing this quote.

      Why/ Simply because we are not being ‘told’ there will be an attack. There ‘have’ been attacks (plural)

      I also can’t understand why the left have started quoting dictators and fascists to make their point. So far we have heard from Mao and noe Goering

    Jerri Skylar said:
    December 4, 2015 at 8:06 am

    It’s like saying if dogs had wings then they could fly.
    In any negotiation one must deal with the players as they are, not as one wants them to be.

      A Liberated Life responded:
      December 4, 2015 at 2:54 pm

      Thanks for your comment Jerri. I would have to say that to me, the very aim of negotiation is to seek the parties to move from a stalemate to a new compromise that allows a constructive development to occur. By that definition it is actually critical that we deal with the players as we want them to be and not as they are. The good Friday agreement had to see beyond the characters at the time towards something better. So Jerry Adams moved from terrorist to politician, substituting the gun for the ballot box. That had to be imagined and believed before it could become possible.

        Frederick Robinson said:
        December 8, 2015 at 9:29 pm

        A little quibble. (I have others, but not to worry). In your main piece, you echoed Mrs Thatcher’s policy of (in her case) starving the IRA etc. of the oxygen of publicity. The result? The Brighton hotel-bombing. But in your above comment you jumped to Major’s and Blair’s successful Good Friday agreement; arrived at, if my memory serves me correctly, WITHOUT the asphyxiation of publicity previously practised.

    Kevin Raddy said:
    December 4, 2015 at 12:25 pm

    I was with you up until you mentioned Israel, then you lost the plot.

      Robert said:
      December 4, 2015 at 2:07 pm

      Israel is not a despot regime. It is a democratic state and our only ally in the middle east. That action will only encourage the muslims to attack Israel again. They could care less of your 7 point plan. Their main priority as stated by Iran is to wipe Israel off the map.

        A Liberated Life responded:
        December 4, 2015 at 3:43 pm

        Thank you Robert.
        First of all, democracy is not unfortunately, a guarantee of honourable governance. I mean The Nazi party were democratically elected too and they went on to create the greatest nightmare of the 20th Century. What the Israeli government are doing and have done is to me, absolutely criminal and inhumane. I and many of my family members that live there are deeply, deeply ashamed at the atrocities committed by the current leadership.
        Secondly, Israel is not our only ‘Ally’ in the Middle East at all. The US has bases in Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, Bahrain (headquarters of the US 5th Fleet) and the United Arab Emirates. In fact Israel in 2011 sold 200 tanks to Saudi Arabia whom they see as a buffer-power in the region against Iran, (who do indeed wish to see the end of Israel, your’e quite right), but they do not speak for all muslims. That is a very naive assumption.
        Saudi have sought to find a peaceful solution to the Israel / Palestine conflict and do recognise Israel as do all it’s other neighbours.

        And finally, in the International community’s call for a coalition of support to defeat IS, where is Israel? Are they not eager to bomb in Syria?
        Or are they happy to let their ‘allies’ turn Syria into the next lawless, post apocalyptic wasteland, so that our huge oil corporations can move in and install another puppet government and drain the territory of the resources that belong to the Syrian people? And what about some humanitarian assistance with the refugees? Also there, a total lack of support and compassion towards innocent muslim victims of war. As far as I’m concerned Israel’s government have squandered an opportunity to show real leadership and morality and have instead demonstrated the self serving, xenophobic attitude that has characterised their approach to their fellow man. They are no better than the Saudis in that respect and I stand by my condemnation.

      A Liberated Life responded:
      December 4, 2015 at 2:58 pm

      Thanks Kevin, I accept you may disagree with that part of my argument and would hope that the other elements would still be valid for you.

      Gregg Ashley said:
      December 4, 2015 at 11:22 pm

      Totally agree!

    BART Station Bard said:
    December 4, 2015 at 2:16 pm

    So it’s not a perfect plan. It’s still a better starting point than the rampant idiocy we’ve been seeing so far.

      A Liberated Life responded:
      December 4, 2015 at 4:30 pm

      Yes Bart, we have to try something different if we wish for a different result.

    Georgia Graham said:
    December 4, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    What a well thought out argument. You’ve articulated everything that most people in the UK are thinking. If more politicians were lead by moral obligation and common sense, rather than financial gain and empowerment for themselves and their peers, I’m sure they’d be closer to a peaceful and civilian-focused solution than the mindless bombing and slaughter we’re seeing.

    peteheller@btinternet.com said:
    December 4, 2015 at 4:17 pm

    Do you think it’s clever to quote a Nazi war criminal? Do you really think that he has anything meaningful to offer us? Which other bits of his philosophy should we be paying attention to? I’m sure there are some useful parts of “Mein Kampf” that might look good in one of your posts (incidentally, that quote you pulled of Wikipedia isn’t even direct). Anyone who uses words like ‘no brainer’ isn’t really doing any thinking at all as that is exactly what is needed in this complex, constantly shifting story.

      A Liberated Life responded:
      December 4, 2015 at 4:27 pm

      Peter Heller, if you cannot grasp the context in which that quote was included then I really have nothing to say in response to your comment.

    Richard Landall said:
    December 4, 2015 at 4:56 pm

    You can’t nagosiate with people who only want to kill you! Israel has said and is willing to have a two state settlement, but it’s been rejected again and again by the Palastinians. Israel gave up land but all the Palastinians do is move in rockets and attack Israel again and again. It’s they who won’t have a two state settlement they only want the death of the isrealie state.

    PaulS said:
    December 4, 2015 at 5:51 pm

    ‘Reason c: Once Assad sees that he would be recognised by the international community, he would be far more likely to respond to calls for more democracy and more benign governance. This is what is happening in Burma and Iran and it can happen in Syria too. Humiliating sociopaths only serves to make them even more sociopathic. Lose/lose.’
    That’s very unlikely. Remember, the whole problem in Syria started when Syrian students peacefully demonstrated against Assad. Half the population has been displaced, most of the towns have been leveled, homes destroyed, hundreds of thousands killed. The vast majority of Syrians hate him more than anything and so the idea of co-operating with him in any way is simply utterly out of the question.

    Better plan would have been couple of years ago to establish a no fly zone in Northern Syria, where a defacto new state could have been established in opposition to Damascus. That may still be possible, but both the presence of IS and Russia makes it much more difficult, if not impossible.

    Rob Low said:
    December 4, 2015 at 5:54 pm

    Very fine. Not exactly new or revolutionary, but stating it in a neat, seven point plan with a), b) and c) certainly makes it seem as if you are seeing something other people are not. As someone has already said – you have to deal with the world the way it is, not the way you would want it to be if you could wave your Harry Potter wand. Alakazam – and there you have all Western nations accepting the Assad government. Forcing Turkey and Saudi to admit that they are criminals. Well done. Time for tea …

    sanpal said:
    December 5, 2015 at 7:07 am

    Didn’t Russia call from the very beginning to what are in your points 1 to 5?

    futiledemocracy said:
    December 5, 2015 at 4:57 pm

    Legitimise Assad, blame the Jews, and wait for a complete shift in international relations in the hope that Saudi might stop covertly funding IS. Bizarre article.

    corneilius said:
    December 5, 2015 at 5:24 pm

    Ypu omitted arresting Tony Blair,George Bush and all high officials who enabled the Invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. That is 100% essential. Until the Arab world,and indeed all if us see justice delivered in real terms,there will be no peace.

      Thomas said:
      December 18, 2015 at 5:42 pm

      100% Agreed. that would do more for peace, than any other act.

        PJ McCue said:
        December 19, 2015 at 2:35 pm

        so true re: comment about Blair, Bush + I would add Cheney arrested for war crimes – but you know and i know that just ain’t going to happen – so why not stage an in absentia trial – or maybe that’s been done already – but more attention to their role in the senseless killing needs to be addressed

    openletter2scotland said:
    December 5, 2015 at 5:26 pm

    Thank you Marc.

    I’ve used this article many times. A wonderful source of alternative action that could/should be taken.

    I fear greed is too well established and deep routed into governments around the world to see any immediate implementation of it.

    Peace.

      Corneilius Crowley said:
      December 7, 2015 at 11:01 am

      It’s not ‘greed’ as much as a desire for Power, and Power demands that one has the wealth to sustain that power. Money is a tool, and power requires LOTS of it…

      The Bank of England was created to fund the building of the Royal Navy. The first income tax in the UK was introduced to fund the Napoleonic Wars.

      ISIS needs the oil revenue, and access to other funds to maintain a fighting force. The IRA ran a massive drugs, robberies and racketeering operation to fund it’s terrorism.

      Rulers always need access to vast wealth in order to maintain their position of Power.

      It’s not greed, it’s a utility. That said there will be those who take bribes, who accept ‘donations’ and who seek out ‘good jobs’ because they are greedy – and these are usually the low level operatives of the systems of power, the office boys… and girls.

    Walter Cairns said:
    December 5, 2015 at 7:54 pm

    This plan is just plain, reasoned, sound common sense – as you say, why in the name of the Lord are the Left not shouting this from the rooftops? Well, I have a suspicion about it. You see, endorsing your plan would mean to co-operate with Russia i.e. Putin, and the Left, because of their narrow “diversity” agenda, would rather support G W Bush than have anything toi do with their currenthate figure. And, yes, I am not going to hide it – I am Vladimir Putin’s No. 1 fan.

    Ian Hamilton said:
    December 5, 2015 at 8:53 pm

    Makes sense, but unfortunately, there are too many people making lots of money out of war and the spoils of war,so its unlikely your strategy will be implemented any time soon.
    I applaud your efforts, and hope the decision makers come to their senses before we get into an escalation of hostilities which may lead to WWlll.

    Helen Cherry said:
    December 6, 2015 at 12:55 am

    Thank you for this… much of which Jeremy Corbyn and many of us have been saying for some time.. In short cut off the money, arms and oil sales.. then do the hearts and minds stuff of which you speak..

    Xavier Breath said:
    December 6, 2015 at 1:47 am

    Your plan is well thought out and comprehensive. I particularly like the fact that you dare address the elephant in the room; Israel. Unfortunately that’s exactly where it fails because even in the very unlikely event of any western, particularly American government daring to stop supplying Israel they have all the nukes they are ever going to need and will trade with whoever to get the delivery systems for their missiles. There’s no putting that particular genie back in the bottle. It’ll take a nuclear exchange to alter anything and I fear we may be closer to that than any of us dare contemplate.

    Rosie Scribblah said:
    December 6, 2015 at 5:58 am

    Thank you for a thought provoking article. I particularly like your comments about the role of the media which serves to fuel the situation.

    shaihussain said:
    December 6, 2015 at 2:06 pm

    If only things were this simple. The sad thing is, they can be.

    andywade (@andywade) said:
    December 6, 2015 at 4:51 pm

    All good except Points Six and Seven.

    Hassling Israel is just playing to the gallery, and if you only re-generate Muslim areas in European countries you will cause MASSIVE resentment from poor non-muslims who are every bit as deserving – especially in places like the UK which is falling apart due to austerity. You’d basically play into the hands of every skinhead fascist idiot out there. Why not re-generate EVERYONE’s areas and help integrate ethinic and religious minorities, instead of helping the extremists sectarian narrative?

    Also, you have to be pretty careful how you approach Saudi Arabia as they hold the entire world economy in their hot little terrorist-supporting hands.

    May I ask you what your qualifications are?

      Viktor said:
      December 8, 2015 at 10:45 am

      Scroll to the start of the article. On the left side you may find a link ‘About Marc Itzler’.

    Michael Hunter said:
    December 6, 2015 at 6:58 pm

    Thanks for publishing this rather well thought-out article. I hope Mr Corbyn has seen it, just in case sufficient Britons begin to listen to him in earnest, for he seems to prefer common sense to the other political motives. You’re quite right, of course, in believing (fearing) that opponents of this plan already understand its probable efficacy, ah well…

    PJ McCue said:
    December 6, 2015 at 7:46 pm

    I applaud your attempt at putting forward a plan that perhaps on the surface might seem insurmountable. But the alternative we are experiencing under Mr Cameron’s leadership is ill thought out and will not destroy IS. And even if it does, does anyone really believe that another group will not surface and take their place in the not so distant future. Defeating the Nazi’s was once seen as insurmoutable. Overthrowing apartheid in South Africa and the United States was once seen as insurmountable. Just because one can’t imagine cutting off all aid to an ultra right-wing government in Israel (the suggestion that Israel is in favour of a 2 state solution and that the Palestinians are the only ones stopping it is ludicrous – and evidence that whoever suggested such a thing is living in gaga land) – or a re-examination of our relationship with Saudi Arabia and some of the other Gulf states – doesn’t mean it can’t happen. Unfortunately our leaders are more interested with gaining points over the opposition and getting elected next time around. We have the leaders we deserve. When 34% of those eligible to vote stay home on election day – is it any wonder we are in the situation we are in today. Go and do some good deeds if that is your answer to the threat that such groups as IS present – and yes in the long run that’s not a bad idea. But it can never be the whole solution. Marc presents a well thought out solution (even if he admits to not knowing everything that goes on behind the scenes – watch the film ‘Syriana’ if you think anyone does) which has a lot of merit – if only those in positions of power were able to use common sense instead of ‘strategic’ policies which serve their own means. As for Goering’s quote – I thought it was spot on. They are words which, far from praise the Nazi monster, point to our own leaders opinion of us – ‘the people’. If we don’t listen and study the mindset of our enemies, how will we ever learn how to defeat them. Well done, Marc. Let us hope some of those who are making the decisions are listening.

    Shea Fitzgerald said:
    December 7, 2015 at 5:48 am

    The best weapon in this war is thought and innocents should not bear the brunt, particularly from airstrikes. IS have many points of vulnerability to attack. No more bombs, please. Points 5 and 6 are particularly poignant. I would add that (Point 8) Any citizen of any EU state, regardless of their ethnicity or religion, who travels to the Middle East region for the purpose of engaging in hostilities on the side of IS or ANY rebel group, be denied their citizenship of that EU state and the EU as a whole, and as such, be prevented from EVER re-entering that state or any other EU state.

    Rich Duffy said:
    December 7, 2015 at 7:41 pm

    Reblogged this on Rich Duffy and commented:
    Some interesting points:

    kevinjohncrowe said:
    December 8, 2015 at 11:04 am

    Some interesting ideas. However, I do disagree with some of the seven points.

    1. Israel is one of the few democracies in the region. Like all democracies, sometimes its electorate put people in power whose policies we don’t like (in that sense, a bit like the UK). We need to recognise that Israel has to be part of the solution, not part of the problem. Hamas has made it quite clear it wants to destroy Israel, and unlike the Palestinian authority Hamas is anti-Semitic. Historically, Jews have a massive collective cultural experience of oppression, denial of rights and attempted genocide. Undoubtedly this informs Israel’s insistence on defending itself. I accept that sometimes Israeli forces over-react, but any state has the right to defend itself. I also consider the extension of settlements into Palestinian areas is wrong, but the way to resolve this is through the ballot box, not through boycotts or supporting violence against Israel. As a gay man, Israel is one of the very few countries in the middle east where I would feel I had some protection from the state.

    2. I think you may be being too soft on Saudi Arabia and on the despotic Assad regime, and too hard on Turkey. Like Israel, Turkey is part of the solution. I don’t think we should conflate Turkey’s long running feud with the Kurds with its attitude towards IS. Turkey is on the frontline in the fight against IS and has a crucial role to play. Saudi Arabia is one of the most despotic regimes in the world, never mind just the middle east. Many of the terrorists associated with Al Queida and IS were groomed in Saudi Arabia. For as long as I can remember (and I am in my mid-60s) Saudi Arabia has been oppressing women, LGBT people, foreigners – and anyone who refuses to conform to its medieval approach to governance. Finally, the Assad dynasty has been in power in Syria for a long time now, and western politicians for a long time courted it. Like Saudi Arabia, Syria has proved useful to the west in the past and for unprincipled and hypocritical reasons for many years we offered clandestine support to the Assad dynasty.

    On the whole, I think elements of your ideas could be helpful, but I do see flaws in your seven point plan. Nonetheless it is an important contribution to the debate. And I have to admit I don’t have any easy answers, and I do agree with you that air strikes are not going to achieve much. Indeed, bombing campaigns can sometimes unite those being bombed. The Nazi bombing of London, Coventry, Glasgow and other parts of the UK during the second world war merely served to strengthen the resolve to defend our country. Likewise, the allies bombing of Dresden was counter productive, as was American bombing in Vietnam. In fact, the only occasions I can think of where bombs actually led to surrender were at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and I would hope that no-one is suggesting using nuclear weapons!

    Thank you for your contribution to the debate.

      A Liberated Life responded:
      December 8, 2015 at 11:13 am

      Thanks for your input Kevin, you make some very valid points.

    Frederick Robinson said:
    December 8, 2015 at 9:35 pm

    I posted a ‘small quibble’ after the comments by A Liberated Life about starving ISIS of the oxygen of publicity, Good Friday Agreement, etc. But it seems to have disappeared. Not, I hope, censored?

    Moo said:
    December 10, 2015 at 11:03 pm

    David Cameron is a sheep. These people kill themselves because they believe that’s what they should be doing. Your concept is well thought out but this country is now watching and waiting. Even if we destroy the source somehow, there will be another terror tribe at the ready. They say the world is less warmongering that it used to be but we have way more nuclear weapons and far more psychos ready to kill themselves and others. all the while these terrorists are being brainwashed the world will fear because they don’t care who they hurt. These people were born with s beating heart you don’t start out evil, well rarely. Your right though if the power could be taken away somehow and the young ones educated in a different positive way they these leaders wouldn’t have the back up. Scary truth is this world will end through war. Hoping it’s not this one.

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